One requirement for arguing with 9/11 conspiracy theorists is that you have to like the discussion process. Most people, myself included, believe conspiracy theories like the 9/11 conspiracy are ridiculous. But if they are ridiculous, why isn’t it easy to prove it? If one knew what the problems were in proving it, perhaps more plausible suppositions could be easily disproved. Here are some ground rules for arguing what people consider as far-fetched contentions.
Beyond the broad methods of argumentation, the 9/11 Conspiracy theory has a great variety of arguments, with many of them based on science or engineering. Scientists and engineers rarely have the patience to sort through them, but I think that doing so is interesting.
Some say that it is pointless to argue conspiracy theories because you can’t win. But how many arguments of any kind are winnable? You may get an immediate victory in a discussion of where to have lunch, but that is only because there is time pressure involved. On anything substantial, the chances of a debate opponent conceding on the spot are slim. You can, however, accomplish four things: you can plant a seed of doubt that may ultimately flower, you can convince silent spectators, you can sharpen you understanding of logical processes, and you can learn interesting facts related to the subject.
There is no better way to fully understand a subject than to argue it. It’s better than teaching. Arguing extreme claims of any type forces you to examine the fundamental issues about how theories are formed, tested, and sustained. I have learned a great deal by arguing against holocaust denial, “scientific” racism, world Jewish conspiracy, Creationism, and, especially, 9/11 Conspiracy.
Here I present some rules of the road for arguing extreme claims. Trust me, I’ve learned these first hand.
Rule 1. Don’t call the theory ridiculous.
Never call a ridiculous theory ridiculous. Doing so adds nothing to the debate, and it generates fluff that obscures the issues at hand. The response will be that you are blind, stupid, and a pawn of the conspiracy. The charges and counter-changes go nowhere. Being ridiculous is a conclusion, and it is wrong to present it as a premise. In general, some ridiculous theories ultimately prove correct, and then where would you be? Nothing is more ridiculous on the face of it than quantum theory, but it turned out to be true. Start on a level playing field. If you are unable to clear your mind of your own prejudice against the theory you will never be able to debate it well.
Rule 2. Don’t casually accept factual premises that are offered.
For example, “The World Trade Center Tower collapsed in ten seconds. A Ph.D. physicist wrote a paper showing that is the speed of free fall, with no resistance at all from the building structure. You can’t tell me that happened without explosives removing all the strength from the structure.” or “Not a single shred of debris was ever found from the Flight 93 crash in Pennsylvania. No one ever saw the actual plane, just the explosion and smoke. That couldn’t happen if there were actually an airplane there.” In fact, it took over 40 seconds for the WTC tower to collapse. Flight 93 hit soft earth vertically at nearly the speed of sound, so it was mostly buried, but 95% of the wreckage was recovered and ultimately returned to United Airlines. Many people saw Flight 93 descend before the crash.
This sort of thing happens repeatedly. The conspiracy theorists are not lying, they believe what they are saying. They go off half-cocked. A piece of the WTC facade fell free after the collision, causing a first impact in ten seconds, but the tower as a whole took much longer to collapse. The Flight 93 crash was not immediately visible, but it was recovered. Early reports or confused information are accepted as fact and never checked. Bad information lives forever on the Internet, ready to be discovered anew despite it having been proven false.
Rule 3. Consider the relevance of the expertise of a claimed expert
Pilots are experts at flying aircraft, but they are not experts at aerodynamics or what happens in crashes. A trained photo interpreter is an expert at judging the size of a hole in a wall, but has no expertise in how large a hole ought to be made by an aircraft or explosion. Pilots should not be expected to know how difficult it is to fly a plane at 500 mph close to the ground, because they don’t do that. Trained journalists report what appears in front of them, but they have no expertise in identifying controlled demolitions.
Rule 4. Consider Claims One-by-One
Zealous proponents of theories like to raise 50 issues at once, under the notion that even if most of them are explained, what remains either proves their case or justifies “an independent investigation.” Keep the discussion organized and make lists of the issues, going through them systematically. Pick the top five. I predict that if you know your stuff your opponent will decline further discussion after you have argued those. He will pronounce you hopeless and leave the room.
Rule 5. Keep a Running Tally of the Number of Conspirators
To accomplish the alleged controlled demolition of the WTC towers as claimed by conspirators, each floor must have been packed with explosives. How many people would that take, and how long? How many of the occupants and visitors would have to participate in the cover-up to prevent that effort from becoming known beforehand? Don’t let it go at “It wouldn’t take many.” Do some research and break in down into the subtasks, like removing wallboard to expose the beams, hauling in the explosives, wiring them up, restoring the building appearance to cover up the work, and preventing anyone from inadvertently discovering what was done. The numbers of conspirators soars, so eventually you can ask how it is possible to keep every person involved from ever spilling the beans.
Rule 6. Acknowledge Valid Points
Quickly acknowledge that conspiracies have existed in history, because they have. There were all sorts of conspiracies to assassinate rulers and overthrow governments. That is granted. Get on to the specifics of the present allegations. Do not, however, accept the premise that historical events happen either by chance or by conspiracy. Sunrise occurs every day with neither chance nor conspiracy involved. History happens by the flow of interacting events which is neither chance nor random.
If you argue by denying each and every element of an argument, you may well make a good debater or a good lawyer, but your credibility as a sincere analyst drops precipitously, and you will spend most of your time on the wrong side of specific points. Arguing that the sky is not always blue, or other such debaters points, is a waste of time. Get on with matters of substance. The thing to watch for is what the stipulated possibilities imply. It’s true that some fish are sharks, but that doesn’t say much about the little goldfish in your fish bowl. In general there are conspiracies, but that implies nothing about the truth of the present accusations of conspiracy.
Rule 7. Ask for Direct Evidence of Conspiracy
Conspiracies, alien invaders from outer space, and temperamental deities all can provide perfect explanations of anything that is otherwise puzzling. Aliens and deities are even better explanations than conspirators, because they are not bound by the limitations of current technology or even the laws of nature — the aliens could be from another dimension. Ask for memos, photographs, plans, tape recordings, video, or eye-witness testimony of participating conspirators. The mafia is really good at keeping secrets, but the evidence of their conspiracies gets out. Defectors wish to clear their conscience, to express remorse, to to save their souls, and, let us not forget, to get fabulous book deals. Conspiracy theorists point to innocent dupes tricked into participating in the conspiracy under some guise. After the events unfolded, many such people would be eager to provide testimony.
Those seven rules set the stage for arguing the 9/11 Conspiracy Theory. Think of other theories and how the rules may apply to those cases as well.
A final caution: many good people hold strange beliefs. The degree to which people compartmentalize their thinking is a wonder to behold. The guy who is nuts about one thing or another may simultaneously make a fine friend, a trusted colleague, a responsible civic leader, or a genuine authority on a different subject. It all depends on what the particular odd belief implies. It usually implies less than one supposes. Nobel chemist Linus Pauling had the erroneous belief that vitamin C would cure nearly anything; transistor-inventor William Shockley was a racist. They were nonetheless experts in their fields. Most of us have had crazy uncles who managed to be very good people, and in fact had valuable insights on other things.
The world would be better off with more honest debate, even on difficult subjects.
Thanks for a great article!
I’m struggling with a friend who has recently become obsessed with the Illuminati conspiracy theory, and quite frankly I’m a bit concerned for him.
Your text gives valuable advice for how to question his, in my opinion, insane claims (which I, of course, wont make the mistake of calling insane! (rule 1)).
— James · Sep 16, 12:18 PM · #
Beyond the broad methods of argumentation, the 9/11 Conspiracy theory has a great variety of arguments, with many of them based on science or engineering. Scientists and engineers rarely have the patience to sort through them, but You think that doing so is interesting.
— Term papers · Jan 25, 02:59 AM · #
First of all the wtc did fall in 10sec, its even in the official 911 report. You dont even bother to mention the pentagon or the fact that wtc 7 fell for no reason at all. Get your shit, and anyone reading this i advise you to look into 911 yourself and really find out the truth.
— justin · Feb 12, 05:47 PM · #
I give you a tip of the hat on how to make a logical argument. However, the premises(facts) do not match the conclusions. It has been almost 9 years since 9/11 and if you have not woken up yet, I’m sorry for you. The WTC was designed to withstand “terrorist attacks” or plane crashes. It had a steel core. Everything was pulverized. I suggest you look at a control demolition and then take a look at the WTC collapse and witness the similarities. Also, I would suggest you go back to eyewitness accounts from the News stations in which everyone was talking about loud booms and explosions.
On another note, please explain to me why WTC building 7 collapsed from a few fires? You should look at “fire damaged buildings” online and compare those photos to the WTC North/South tower and building 7. Last time I checked, buildings did not collapse due to fire. These are just a few of the major points I would like to address. Hopefully, you will collect the correct facts and make the correct conclusive argument. 9/11 was an inside job by the government and if you still don’t see that, then you are blind.
— Jacia · Feb 12, 05:57 PM · #
Buildings fall at the same rate no matter what the cause of progressive collapse, whether demolition or other causes. The energy driving the collapse comes from gravity acting on the mass, even in a controlled demolition it doesn’t come from explosives.
There are some design notes about the towers being able to withstand a airplane strike, but that was back in the 60s when planes were smaller. Engineers did not have the computer tools at the time to analyze the failure mechanisms, so any such design was ad hoc.
Random loud booms are not signs of controlled demolition, which is precisely timed. Most likely they were transformers exploding.
WTC 7 collapsed due to buckling of critical internal column caused by the force of thermal expansion of metal; read the NIST report. The building had an unusual design that was prone to that unusual failure mechanism.
I discuss more of the engineering in a later post, see http://factspluslogic.com/articles/80/the-911-truther-laws-of-nature I invite anyone who would like to debate the engineering to challenge me on the debate.org site.
— Roy Latham · Feb 21, 12:09 AM · #
My boyfriend is very smart and tells me conspiracy theories to my face (which angers me mostly because I think it's a waste of my time).
What I do is I just plug what he's said into google, along with "conspiracy theory"; and sure enough, someone has written an essay or something on how its complete crap.
I just forward it to him with a note that reads, "This is why I think it's a conspiracy theory."
Thank you for this. I'm also going to preface the notes from now on that I'm blind, stupid and a "pawn of the conspiracy."
— Molly · Feb 24, 02:55 PM · #
What is it that caises some people to grab onto every conspiracy theory that comes along, no matter how obvious the objective facts?
— George · Oct 10, 11:47 AM · #
Some people argue that science can destroy mankind. It is also obvious that we are close on an era where technology is limited only by our imagination. Therefore the most frequently asked question is: Does technology go the right way and will it save or ruin our civilization?
— College term papers · Dec 13, 11:53 PM · #
@George the answer to that is actually quite simple. Typically conspiracy theorists have already decided the truth (whatever the subject). They then go looking for ‘evidence’ that supports whatever they have accepted as truth and just ignore evidence that contradicts what they have decided. Religious people do exactly the same thing as do people with emotional dysregulation disorder (aka borderline personality disorder)
It is typically impractical to have a logical/rational discussion in any of the above cases as there is no common ground on which to base such a discussion.
— David · Jan 2, 04:02 AM · #
Why argue? because some thing are important in life , and to many its not backstabbing your way to the top of a corporation, putting a wall up between you and ‘the other side of town’ and living in your own little bubble ‘til the day you die ignorant of the God forsaken world around you. A lot of people say one thing. A lot of people say the opposite. When you have two witnesses who give complete opposite testimonies, how dare someone choose the one that doesn’t make your entertainment induced perma-smile slightly de-arch for a couple of seconds.
This is coming from someone who has a desire for truth. I don’t route for the home team. I don’t have favorites and think picking sides is childish. Investigating and using whats left of your brain power is the best thing you can do. HOWEVER, history shows that if you believe some concepts are beyond possibility, you’re obviously forgetting that Hitler WAS real, and DID kill MILLIONS of innocent people in his own country. Just like some people eat human flesh,kill and rape children, have strange sexual fetishes and desires,etc. If you for some reason think American politicians and elite members of society are somehow exempt from these characteristics in the 21st century, Then at least stay out of my bubble and keep watching your TV, because everyone in the world except for me obviously has your best interest in mind.
— Drew · Jan 19, 11:22 PM · #
Conspiracy theories are viewed with skepticism by scholars because they are rarely supported by any conclusive evidence and contrast with institutional analysis, which focuses on people’s collective behavior in publicly known institutions, as recorded in scholarly material and mainstream media reports, to explain historical or current events, rather than speculate on the motives and actions of secretive coalitions of individuals.1 Scholars argue that conspiracy theory goes beyond the boundaries of rational criticism when it becomes nonfalsifiable. Such a theory is a closed system of ideas which explains away contradictory evidence by claiming that the conspirators themselves planted it.1 The term “conspiracy theory” is therefore often used dismissively in an attempt to characterize a belief as outlandishly false and held by a person judged to be a crank or a group confined to the lunatic fringe.2 Such characterization is often the subject of dispute due to its possible unfairness and inaccuracy
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Nice rant there, Drew. Yes, politicians are corrupt, and governments frequently don’t have their citizens’ best interests in mind. I think pretty much everybody knows that. What you seem to be overlooking, however, is the discrepancy between the extent of the means and of the end. Not to mention that every conspiracy in history has failed, and involved far less conspirators than the Truthers would like to believe were involved with 9/11. They also dismiss scientific explanations as “propaganda”, much the same way Creationists do.
— Brendan · Mar 20, 04:40 PM · #
The problem with conspiracy theories is that they can almost come up with anything really. There is no need to base it to any facts. They will never even be attempted to be verified. So why bother indeed.
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